B-17G-80-VE 44-8471 "Winged Warrior"

REFERENCE PHOTOS


Below are the reference photos I have of "Winged Warrior"

Eventually, I'll probably be adding photos of other 95th Bomb Group B-17's.

Trying to figure out markings and manufacturing variations is not a simple task. You try to get as much information as you can from photos, and what you can't find direct evidence of, you have to make educated guesses at by looking at other B-17's from the 95th in the same time frame of 1944-1945.

Even with photos, things can still be murky. With black and white photos how do you determine colors? Some things like national insignia are pretty standard. Nose art, on the other hand is specific to each aircraft.


This is far and away the best photo I've seen of "Winged Warrior".

Things I've learned from this photo:
- Pretty good idea of the nose art, though no color information.

- Forward windshield is divided into 2 panes for each side. The small outer panel is hinged so it can be opened. This window arrangement is not nearly as common as the usual 1 pane per side windshield design.

- Windshield wipers. Apparently not all B-17s had wipers. One source I read said that the divided windshield with the hinged panel was used until wipers became standard. So naturally, "Winged Warrior" has both.

- Looks to be the stub of an antenna to the right of the astrodome. Some B-17's did have an antenna mast here. Some B-17's also have a sort of whip antenna to the right of the astrodome. That might be present in the photo above, or it might just be a scratch on the photo. There is another antenna directly in front of the dome, the mast of which has been painted black or Olive Drab.

- Top turrent looks to be the standard Bendix turret. In this photo it looks like it is facing forward, but there are no guns installed.

- Stripe painted around nose. (This stripe is red based on the squadron)

- Olive Drab anti-glare panels painted on nose and inner portions of engine nacelles.

- Data stencil might be non standard. Nornally the first line says something like:
U.S. ARMY MODEL B-17G-80-VE
When I was setting this up in Photoshop the top line was just as long as the middle line, which in the photo, it obviously is not. My guess is that in the Lockheed Vega plant where this B-17 was built, the word "MODEL" was dropped from the stencil.

-The other B-17 in this photo has a de-icer boot on the vertical tail, but apparently no boots on the wing.


This is the only other photo I've seen showing the nose art of "Winged Warrior".
This photo also looks like it was taken from a collage of other photos, hence the B-17 cockpit stuck on at the bottom.

Things I've learned from this photo:
- I can see the number "741" painted on just under the pitot. (Note this number is not present in the first photo) Based on other 95th B-17's, I think this was actually "8741" and the "8" got covered by another photo that was pasted on top of it.

- The words "WINGED WARRIOR" have an obvious "drop shadow" (though it's lighter than the main letters) but it only shows up beneath the first word. (Looks the same in the first photo as well).


Crew photo. (Robert Newman is in the center, back row)
One thing to note here. From this photo there's no way to tell if this is actually "Winged Warrior", it could be any bare metal B-17. But, I'm going to pretend that it is anyway.

Things I've learned from this photo:
- Type of waist gun installation. There were several different ways of construction the waist gun position throughout the production run of the B-17. Completely open window, openable window, or in this case, a permanently enclosed position with the gun mounted on the sill of the window.

- Location of the star/bar insignia. This is pretty standard for a late war B-17G with staggered waist gun positions.. What is also useful is what you don't see painted on the fuselage. Earlier in the war 95th B-17's had large call letters painted on the fuselage. Towards the end of the war, these were no longer used. Which seems to be the case here.


Crew photo. (Robert Newman is in the center, front row)
As far as I can tell, this is the same aircraft as in the previous crew photo.

Things I've learned from this photo:
- No "Ring and bead" site on gun.

-Robert Newman had/has nice teeth.

- Everything else, same as previous photo.


 

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